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1.3 Existence of God: Theology                                            Version 1.1 March 2012

 

Does God exist? 

Many people cannot believe that the universe could exist unless it was created by God. 

Many people feel that without God there is no meaning or purpose to life, and no good or bad, so surely God must exist, because we do believe in these other things.

Are we all figments of God’s imagination?

Are we all characters in a play run by the gods?

Should we pray to God or praise him or her?

 

1.3 Theological Conclusions                                                                               (Statement 3)

We have to use reason to decide, because faith alone is not enough.

All the reasons suggested for believing in god are inadequate, and there are good reasons why we should not believe in God:

          Existence itself is the ultimate mystery that is not resolved by any philosophy or religion – God does not explain existence itself, because it does not explain how God came to exist;

          In a sense, everything that exists is part of reality, so there can be no ‘transcendental’ God outside of this reality;

          There is no reason to believe in a God who is “supernatural” (not controlled by the ordinary laws of nature) or “transcendental” (somehow outside the universe). 

          An ‘immanent’ god that is the good or loving part of nature could be defined but it is hardly worth calling God in the traditional sense;

          There is no reason to believe God is anything like what people say, but an incomprehensible, indefinable God is not worth believing in, is no help to us.

          God does not explain how the universe actually works: the design of the universe, natural events, apparently paranormal events, life, consciousness, religious experience, beauty, good and evil or meaning and purpose. 

          The problem of evil is too great to believe in an all good, all knowing and all powerful god; God doesn’t really explain why we have good and evil;

          The sacred texts that are supposed to promote a belief in god are too inconsistent between each other and within themselves to be the basis of a belief in God;

          God doesn’t ultimately provide meaning or purpose, or explain why we are part of the universal narrative.

 

The next level of detail is shown in this box.  See commentary further below.

 

1.3.1   It doesn’t help to explain our existence to say that God created the world.  It just pushes it further back to “who created God”.  If it is OK to say God is self existent it is just as OK to say the universe is self existent.  Absolutely no-one can explain existence itself.  more (later)

1.3.2   The universe has not been designed, so we can’t say it must have had a godlike designer.  We do not need God to explain things like life itself, movement, eyes, consciousness or good and evil.  more (later)

1.3.3   The universe is not being guided, or maintained or sustained.  It does not help to believe that a transcendental God works somehow ‘behind’ the laws of nature, that God keeps the laws of nature working, that God somehow pushed evolution along, or that God controls the probabilities of subatomic events.  more (later)

1.3.4   Some apparent miracles are frauds.  Other apparent miracles are best explained without using God.  Different religions have different explanations of the miracles they see, which cannot all be literally true.  There is no reason to take apparent miracles as signs of God: natural explanations are better.  more (later)

1.3.5   Prophecies supposedly made by god or the prophets are often explained in a misleading way, and they can all be explained better without using God.  Different religions have different prophecies, which cannot all come true.  When we examine these there is no reason to take them as signs of God.  more (later)

1.3.6   Science is gradually explaining more and more things that were once attributed to God.  People once thought God caused thunderstorms and made rainbows.   Now they wonder whether God makes us conscious.  God is being used as an explanation to fill the gaps in scientific knowledge, but these gaps are getting smaller and smaller.  This idea of God doesn’t help in any way.  more (later)

1.3.7   All the undeserved suffering in the world means there cannot be an all powerful, all knowing, all good God (omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent).  Perhaps God does not completely care, or God can’t know everything. Some prefer to believe God’s power is limited, so they call God almighty, not omnipotent.  We cannot say all suffering is deserved, or that it always leads to something good, or that it always ultimately the fault of flawed human beings. Only a small proportion of suffering is due to our inhumanity, much suffering is pointless, and much is unfair.  It would be inhumane to allow some animals and people to suffer just so that others have the change to do some good.  This is not the best of all possible worlds: surely it can be better.  more (later)

1.3.8   We use the knowledge that we have, that comes from our culture, to explain personal experiences of the divine.  Many discover the Christian God or the Muslim Allah.  Others glimpse the Buddhist enlightenment, and others find it even more mystical.  There is no reason to believe such experiences point to the truth of one religion over the others.  When we examine these there is no reason to take them as signs of God.  more (later)

1.3.9   Many feel that the beauty, majesty and awe of the universe, the world, life, art, music, and love must come from outside the universe, from God.  But this beauty is not lessened if it arises only within us or within the world.  We cannot judge it in an absolute sense because we are part of it: the actor cannot objectively critique the play.  more (later)

1.3.10 We can’t believe in a supernatural or transcendental God on faith alone.  We must decide, based on some reasons, if this God, and each of this God’s commandments, is good or bad.  more (later)

1.3.11 Even if you accept one of the reasons to believe in God, that does not mean God has all the other features people claim.  A creator may not care about individuals or provide a purpose or values.  A God who does miracles may not be a creator.    more (later)

1.3.12 Even if there was a powerful God who created the world and the people in it and who cares about us as individuals, that provides meaning and purpose only within the story God provides.  Why would God need us?  It still does not explain God’s existence, or why we should follow the purposes god has laid out for us.  We still need to work out for ourselves whether to follow this God, to be sure he is not really Satan.  We still need to use common sense and to be compassionate.  more (later)

1.3.13 To avoid these criticisms God has been defined to be incomprehensible and indefinable.  This does not help us at all.  We have to make decisions.  We cannot base our lives on something we don’t understand that no-one can explain to us!  more (later)

1.3.14 There is no philosophical reason to believe in a God who is “supernatural” (not controlled by the ordinary laws of nature) or “transcendental” (somehow outside the universe). 

1.3.15 We could define an “immanent” God that is not “supernatural” (outside the ordinary laws of nature) or “transcendental” (outside the universe). This “immanent” God is the source of “Love” in the world, whatever that is, but it includes goodness, beauty, meaning, purpose and value.  This God almost by definition must exist because there is some good in the world.  There is no reason to believe this God is affected by rituals or prayers, it doesn’t tell us any specific ethical guidelines or provide us with our purpose in life.  more (later)

 

There is no evidence for a supernatural god that created or transcends the natural universe.

It does not help to say that the universe, or the laws of physics, must have started somehow, and let’s call this somehow “god”, because it still does not explain the existence of god, who, by the same logic, must have started somehow.  We cannot say the universe must have been started somehow by something, without asking what started that something.  We can say the universe is self existent just as much as we can say god is self existent.  Believing in a self existent god who created the universe does not explain existence at all.

There is no reason to believe in a god who tinkers with the universe, who keeps it going, who makes miracles, who makes prophecies or gives some people “signs”.  The supposed miracles and signs can be explained scientifically, or shown to be highly improbable or just made up.  Christians and Muslims believe the Buddhists miracles are made up.  Muslims don’t believe Jesus was the Son of God, Christians don’t believe Mohammed was his Prophet.  There are no reasons to believe in Christians or Muslim miracles, and many good Christians and Muslims don’t.

Many of the supposed miracles, prophecies or signs that are supposed to come from god are extremely strange: why on earth would a god choose such strange ways to make its presence known?  Surely a good god who cared about us would send very clear and unambiguous messages, not the conflicting messages we get from different religions and different “prophets” from the same religion. 

We would also expect that if there was a good god giving us advice, he or she would have told us about bacteria and viruses and appropriate public health measures to avoid epidemics.  A good god could have told us a lot of stuff to reduce suffering that we had to wait for science to discover.  The best explanation for not getting this advice is that there is no god.

The “problem of evil” shows that it is unreasonable to believe in a god that is all good, all knowing and all powerful.  If there were such a god there would be less evil in the world.  There is an immense amount of suffering that is NOT caused by the action of any person, and many innocents suffer needlessly because of natural disasters.  These would not be permitted by a god that is all good, all knowing and all powerful.

We can’t define or detect a naturalistic god that is immanent within the universe for which there is evidence and which is worth calling “God” – worthy of worship and prayer. 

Some people say “God is Love” and love is surely part of the universe, but whatever it is that brings this love into the world, the evolutionary forces or our freely made choices, we cannot worship or pray to it, and is not worth calling God. 

Some people say “God is Love” and think that love was not part of the material universe but was somehow “injected” into it by God.  But as science shows, there is no need to invoke any god to explain the existence goodness and love: these are part of the universe and ubiquitous in life.

Many people say we cannot define God – God is too complex for us to understand.  If this were so, an incomprehensible, unknowable god cannot help us to work out the world or know what we should do in it: such as god is both undetectable and totally useless.

If god(s) or the supernatural did exist they would just expand our universal narrative to include more elements to be taken into account as we conduct scientific investigations and as we make our day to day choices in life.

Neither the supernatural nor the immanent God(s) provide us with values or ultimate meaning or purpose.  The possible existence of god(s) does not help in explaining why it all must be so, or why we should follow our allotted path – unless we do this only out of fear. 

It is mostly the Western monotheistic religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam, that are focused on a God (or two, or three). Eastern religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism may go beyond a focus on god(s) and look at other supernatural explanations of the natural universe.

If there is no god(s) or supernatural explanation for the world, what remains is that we have to embrace the complex, natural world we have. 

 

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